Bonus Episode - Jason Warick


On this special bonus episode of the Say Know Podcast, Matt spoke with Jason Warick, a CBC investigative journalist and former reporter for the Saskatoon StarPhoenix. Jason explores the similarities between investigative reporting and police work, the recent Humboldt Broncos tragedy, and how journalists maintain their mental health in the face of death and heartbreak. They also delve into importance of anonymous sources in both journalism and criminal justice and how to approach each case responsibly and ethically. Lastly, Jason explains why he's hopeful for both the futures of drug policy and journalism.


-The emotional effect of reporting on tragic news and a reporter's responsibility to share painful yet important stories with the world.

-Weighing complete empathy vs. complete disconnect when dealing with a sad story and finding the ideal balance.

-Considering every side even in the most tragic of stories and doing right by treating all facets critically.

-How do you cover all perspectives in a story fairly when everyone involved isn't equally available?

-What responsibilities do both journalists and police have to their confidential informants?

-The lengths Jason went to in order to preserve the anonymity and safety of his informant durina trial.

-The essential role of anonymity in maintaining constructive relationships between people and their institutions.

-Walking the fine line of establishing trust with your sources while avoiding developing too personal a relationship with them.

-The shifting attitudes toward drug policing and crime Jason has noticed over the course of his career.

-Hope on the horizon: the growing trend toward analytic journalism that truly explores the larger issues that affect society.

-Jason's final pointers on writing humane, constructive and informative journalism and living healthy while you do so.


"It's not only the facts of what might happened in that incident... but it's also to tell the world what Humboldt is like and what these people are like.

"If you have no emotion, that's gonna show. There's gonna be no emotion in your stories either."

"It's a real struggle and I find myself veering to one extreme or the other and then having to mentally bring myself back."

"Our job is not only to convey the emotion but convey the truth of things, right? So if it's untrue, then you're doing a disservice to the public."

"That relationship of confidentiality between a source and a journalist or a police officer... is fundamental to our democracy and fundamental to justice in this country."

"The meaningful change is gonna happen when everyone—social workers, police officers, journalists, everybody—really starts to look at the big picture."

"Sometimes you have to write about horrible things that happen to good people, and to me, part of the way I get around that or deal with that is to find something redeeming."

"Not everything in life is horrible just like that thing you've been talking about for eight hours."


"Saving Crystal Napope," article by Jason -

CBC story on Jason protecting sources -

Jason's StarPhoenix stories -

Jason's Twitter feed - @WarickCBC

Official Say Know homepage -

Canadian Research Initiative of Substance Misuse (CRISM) Prairies website - Facebook page - Twitter feed -

Music provided by Redbull DJ Champ, Charly Hustle -

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